This is and has always been the model of Lutheran (LCMS and ELCA synods) pastoral care. Platt is a proven winner especially among a certain psychographic and he is a young man who can be in the pulpit for many years at MBC. Guilt induced you are not giving me enough money for MY missions and you are not doing ENOUGH witnessing in your own life as decided by me, the missions director for god. Maybe the problem is not David Platt but the mega church experience. This is Creator-centric. Is this the same Augustine who is considered one of the fathers of the faith? Translation: I want the congregation to pay me (out of their hard earned money) to read John Piper and Gospel Glitterati books all day and fob off the real work to someone else. You want to be a prima donna with a weekend gig? Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. Of course, a lot of people in their church have no idea their pastor has somebody else write their sermons and they dont go elsewhere very often, so they wouldnt realize it. The elders of McLean Bible Church (MBC) have asked Dr. David Platt to consider becoming Pastor-Teacher of the church, a title used in the churchs constitution to describe the pastor whose primary duty is to preach and teach the Word of God. As Pastor-Teacher (or Teaching Pastor), Dr. Platt would serve alongside other pastors in the church including Dale Sutherland, who is the Lead Pastor responsible for overall day-to-day leadership in the church. And somebody please give me chapter and verse where it says that all these task skills need to be present in one person. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. I like the idea that, should I actually need real pastoral care at some point, it will be an option. @ Todd Wilhelm: Yes, a traveling speaker seems like a much better productive role for him but we are just the uneducated layman of the church body, what do we know? Jesus called us friends not pets. Lon Solomon rarely asked for money in my many years at McLean. True enough I thought, but if he really believed the Radical stuff he writes about whats keeping him from pulling up stakes and moving there? (1)http://biblehub.com/library/simpson/days_of_heaven_upon_earth_/april_22_christ_is_the.htm Naturally, then, they must compete against other bloggers for market-share. Latent Life Force: Frozen Inside Without A Voice?, Resist or get out of this infected 50(c)3 church, the spiritual life you save may very well be your own, How can you see into my eyes, like open doorsLeading you down into my coreWhere Ive become so numb, without a soulMy spirits sleeping somewhere coldUntil you find it there and lead it back home Best to believe and follow Jesus, rather than in any man. I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. The interim setup is weird, the IMB Trustee statement is really weird, and the Platts have moved their kids to MBC. And yes very sad. Sorry you had to go through that, Hug. She would send me links and all kinds of stuff and say she swears it is all linked together somehow with these guys. He is doing exactly this! They (501-c3 religious entities) want all the benefits (infrastructure, free speech protections) of a progressive democracy under the rule of law, but none of the responsibilities. Many dont. Things are broken all over. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? David and his wife, Heather, have four children. The church has completely lost its relevance. (or is it just me) Like when he says Can't Keep, InsignifiCance, and a face in the Clouds; just a few examples. 4). Bet it was said with a disarming smile. It was a hard time to be an officer in NYC with the drug problems David is a gifted speaker and inspiring leader. PHD student. Our forefathers knew that the study of Gods Word and prayer was the foundation for ministry. He was senior pastor at the Church at Brook Hills in Birmingham, Alabama, from 2006 to 2014. @Richard- My family also attends (Soon to be attended) MBC and feel the exact opposite. With Mac Brunson you see tweets about Lambert and Mohler and trivializing the impact of Irma on the community while whining about the minor ways it inconvenienced him personally. If you are in Christ and have the Holy Spirit, then you ARE a witness and an ambassador. God wants to team with us and envigorate the process with his life-giving, explosive self Unfortunately, churches have become so institutionalized it is almost impossible for that person to do what God meant for them to do. So I went and prayed, then listened to his latest sermon and once again I was reminded possibly by the Holy Spirit how anointed this man is. Being precedes doing, and that doing of mission also requires the Holy Spirit. Perhaps he isnt really so committed to being radical? Why we think the head guru can marriage counsel better than those in the Body who have successfully been married 40 plus years. I get what youre saying, but people in regular jobs can be run out by one person who doesnt like them. I wish I was left to be a layperson. Thats interesting. I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. He was the celebrity Pastor who would get the young men excited. my view is that The gospel [good news(tm) ] that Jesus presents in John 3:16, for those that are infected with Calvinism, is simply not enough. I will grant you that he spoke at other church in the UAE and other countries during some of those weeks, but the fact is he is paid a salary by the UCCD members to be the senior pastor at their church. Platt can recite long Scripture passages from memory and moves from one precise biblical reference to another to back up his points, which focus heavily on Stomach full of staples for another week, but back to work with a few restrictions. Much of the sermon is basic storytelling. Blogs. David Platt states that he spends 20-25 hours preparing for one sermon. The best theologians can go off track if left to themselves and their own view of scripture. Look for a church in which the pastor knows your name and will sit by your bedside when you are in the hospital. It has been assigned to any imaginable paid position in an institutional church. http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf. dee said: To our readers Just today he seems to throw a jab at Paige Patterson. It is true that to have a pastoral relationship, the congregation or ratio needs to be 150:1. John 3:16 God so loved the world.God loves us all and wants us to spend eternity with him. Sport | BBC - 5 Celebs You Probably Didn't Know had Speech Problems My husband had tears in his eyes. The reason I put in ot was so a life saving medical test could be approved for a 2 year old child. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? And there is now a DidaskoFellowship of churches which is about to set up a Didasko Presbytery. It is the body of Christ. If I want to just listen to a sermon I can do that online. Some churches in my area have a Farmers Market on weekends in their parking lot. Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. C H Spurgeon : The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach today, or else be false to my conscience and my God., C H Spurgeon : There is no soul living who holds more firmly to the doctrines of grace (ed. dementia. Both monologue (preaching) and dialogue (teaching w/discussion) are valuable in the Church. When I attended a Sovereign Grace Church the pastors had their own small group! Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage). InDavid Platt to Be a Teaching PastorIs it a Bridge Too Far for the IMB President? Preaching is fun. What their job is, without exception, is pastoring a church for expats. I try to use gender inclusive language, but I dont bend over backwards. That makes me sad. . It is also a biological code. What I see happening is horrifying. Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. Oh thats right, he doesnt do weddings. 4:10). And all the travel time. Its kind of what was talked of in wanting a place to be well run. A friend of one of my kids has stuck with SBC mega through its transitioning into calvinist/ comp/ elite and IMO one reason is precisely the organization judging from what I know of that person in other areas of his life. I explain I cant do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. injury or illness that affects your vocal cords. One would hope that those who have been given the gift of pastoring by the Holy Spirit, would likewise live their lives and ministries appropriately. On the subject of tax: David Platts Radical Inc. (and also the Gospel Coalition and Ken Hams Answers in Genesis) are non-profit 501c3 organisations. His book is biblically sound and his church is experiencing major changes, but its an existing Southern Baptist church. I have been hearing from a few folks. Bridget, So, a bit of a frustrating afternoon/evening trying to instal jUnit on the Mac. (Not that I think that is important but since the writer harps on that I just thought Id mention it.) Most of the congregation will never realize this as they are caught up in the cult of personality. I think there is more going on. Or just not on Sunday morning. Pastoral care fits, here. No pastor that is paid full-time could say that and be hired or kept on in a Baptist church. Also, there are close ties to the SBC since the NAMB (North American Mission Board)runs their church planting efforts out of McLean. Guest speaker or consultant perhaps, but not a pastor. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. A scripted life is not freedom. As far as one being the outgrowth of the other. At MBC we have a large pastoral staff who make hospital visits, perform weddings and funerals, etc. I disagree here. I was listening to Platts final sermon at The Church at Brook Hills today and he stated he still has the dream of going on mission to Nepal. Its high-glycemic index gives a rush of exhilaration as it floods into the bloodstream like pure sugar. Generally, human nature is fairly predictable once we give up the notion that we ourselves or our group is somehow exempt. I think that is part of a church being well run, in a way. Anyone who claims the title of lead pastor or head pastor is usurping Jesus authority in the lives of believers. And because we are made in Gods image and likeness, its not good for us to be alone. His church, brookhills, (or whatever the name) was not even involved in the Cooperative program when he was appointed. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. 12, 1 Cor. I totally disagree with that concept. The other day on a Facebook page that I like, the post was a political one. @ Bridget: Everything is predicated upon knowing the LORD! I would like to say to all of you. Count it all joy to pay the cost and reveal His worth! Because healthy community is missional. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. A vague reference to Samuels School of the Prophets is a weak link, but possible. I have been hearing from a few folks. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card. The worth of something is predicated upon its cost. and for fun. But making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. I remember a quote from Rick Warrens The Purpose-Driven Church in which he describes how often he hears pulpit professionals tell him, I just love to preach! We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. For leadership (in Timothy and Titus) is predicated upon godly character traits and just one skill, apt to teach. * David Tennant is dying to work with Aaron Sorkin. But at some point, arent we supposed to grow up into some degree of self-reliance, as far as the scriptures are concerned? Yeah, I know several families that were in Nepal in a similar sense, one family for 20 yrs or so, 6 days walk away from the nearest road, while the others did veterinary work in an area almost as rural. The man boy who took over my former church immediately had his title changed to lead pastor. I am thankful to a special friend who invited me to take acourse on Pastoral Leadership offered by a conservative seminary. He basically made it sound like unless you were Elder material you shouldnt be a missionary. If a merger is in the works (someone at SBC Today suggested that might be the case and was chided by a writer at SBCVoices for writing it which made me think its true) Ezell seems like the likely candidate. Head pastor, lead pastor, teaching pastor, senior pastor, preaching pastor, associate pastor, assistant pastor, worship pastor, music pastor, youth pastor, college pastor, building services pastor, executive pastor . There is no excuse for the lack of shepherding, love, and caring that we are seeing in the modern church. Wife and seven children. No longer is this business an artisan bakery, but a big time corporation. As others have already stated here, he is exhausting to listen to, and we feel very beat up after his sermons. The amount of cash these guys make for their seminaries & their megachurches I have mentioned the FIEC network in the UK and they are selling themselves out to the Go$$$pel Coalition. Their national director promoted Thom Rainers miserable article on why pastors should not visit often which explains why the pastoral state of their churches was extremely poor when I attended. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. Does Public Broadcasting Need Your Tote Bag Deep into the churchs 1 Lea, Having grown up in a mainline Protestant denomination, this experience was fabulous. You can support him by experiencing him as your pastor for several years. I use Word, revelation, and proclamation almost inter-changeably. It was all titles and nonsense. McLean Bible Church was obviously looking for a high profile name to be their teaching pastor. Example: did the church meet in individual homes? Please remember the Bible directly implies: All men will die in their sins unless they are converted, so when the Bible talks about the new birth(2), it is very, very important. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. Hopefully they will all burn themselves out by being crazy busy like Platt and go away! No created thing compares to knowing Him. We talk about the Pope and Pravda, but I think thats because some of us have seen scary stuff. Platt tries to have it both ways. He wants to affirm the Bibles commands and then wants to finesse allowing people into the church who vote for policies that God prohibits. Then, Platt reveals his key concernsome people might get their feelings hurt. Those who know Christ (theo) best are better suited to ministry, not those who know sinners (socio) best. I tried real hard to laugh about it. He is just a big idea guy. Parkinsons Law (Wiki article here for any Wartburgers at a loose end with 5 minutes to spare). Out of that tent of meeting comes the grateful and loving response of worship and service. I asked to meet with the pastor and was referred to an intern and then to a lay minister. Law Prof wrote: And Platt would be doing the job he was hired to do and the Trustees would be doing their jobs as well. Only You, Jesus can show this blind man who looks!, Have Calvinism, Will Stealthy Creep, Perhaps?. .Now, maybe I have a stake in this because Ive been walking this kind of bridge for years, although not while leading the worlds largest protestant, denominational missions agency. We have been attending MBC for 4 years. The ecclesia, the called-out ones or faithful body of believers, is the Church separated unto the LORD. Also, I think it is wise to say we do things for others because we love them. WebDavid Andrew Platt (born 10 June 1966) is an English former professional football coach and player, who played as a midfielder.. Born in Chadderton, Lancashire, Platt began his career as an apprentice at Manchester United before moving to Crewe Alexandra, where he began building a reputation as a goal-scoring midfielder.At the age of 22, he signed for The Calvinist are attempting to win a prized stronghold in northern Virginia. We respect Dr. Platt and his sense of the Lords leading; and we recognize our responsibility to hold him accountable for his work leading the International Mission Board. A lot of people love David Platt but I am not a fan, and the idea that he can lead the IMB and spend that much time on one sermon per week, while trying to raise a family and be a godly man, is astonishing to me. Every church needs an actual pastor who actually is physically present and actually knows and cares for his people. Instead of sending your money to the church, send it to charities that you personally know and feel connected to. Lots of kids to boot. The teaching became ever more shallow, the focus shifted from sound teaching to pop-culture issues and my husband and I believe thats what set it up to bring Platt in. See how you feel then. The academy serving the Church is not explicit in scripture. Or is FIEC the T4G/TGC/9Marks beachhead in the kingdom? With one exception: If I was a pastor, I can understand taking 20-25 hours for study and sermon preparation. Sadly, nothing. ADA Only You Jesus Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. Most people happen to believe that a pastor should be more than a podcast on legs. He speaks very quietly and sometimes it is hard to make out what he is saying. Dee, I really like this post, as I used to work at St. Thomas, an Episcopal Church across the street from McLean Bible. This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. . Thanks to Ed Setzer, former church planting expert for LifeWay, all came to realize that the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. Personally, I respect organization, but my most pressing need is for substance. I want to know when did my husband or me get a vacation from life. Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. Suffice to say, God desires a cleaned-up people group, where He can dwell in their midst. One can have a missions agency and not be a church. I dont disagree. The sermon or the gathering might not be experienced as anything significant to us, but we dont know how others are responding. We do exactly what He said not to do, excusing it with the idea we are contextualizing it for today or that today is different than Bible times, and then get our panties in a wad when things go badly. All of scripture is not the Gospel (Wisdom Lit., lament, apocalyptic, etc.). WebDoes God Have a Speech Impediment? With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. In the parish hall of my church. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. 2. a person who protects, guides, or watches over a person or group of people. Everyone that knows anything must have taken a vow of silence. Prayer Requests Sort of forcing the choice on the people is what it looks like to me. If one then takes this approach and looks at a goodly number of other things in scripture which Christians argue about one finds a lot more leeway in scripture than apparently some folks want to tolerate in todays church culture and practice. @ Thersites: PHD student. Balance is such a godly thing, and takes time and Im working on it. And I have also been enriched by being able to participate in some of the missions work at McLean. David said, Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies. In the tabernacle was a table with showbread and a candlestick. And that was his only job then. @ Hope: Did anything ever become of this at the IMB? Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. He is doing exactly this! It is our reasonable service in light of Who God is. WebDec 1, 2019 John Ross Bowie doesn't really have a lisp, but he fakes it admirably well and with hilarious results as Bawwy Kwipke - er, I mean Barry Kripke - on The Big Bang Theory. David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. If he recognizes a familiar face, he has a short chat. Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? Its because, not so deep down, they know that they themselves are no more than bloggers; the only difference being that they read some of their blog posts out to an audience on a Sunday morning. Their disregard for anything outside their circle was heartbreaking. There were no condolences from the church, nothing. We all dry each others tears. ___ But they are the foundation to faith and give definition and motivation to service (in light of His great love). Also, most pastors who are doing pastoral care/visitation/counsellingi.e., actually working with their congregations are not going to have 20-25 hours of sermon prep time. On the other hand, in the church some members of my family attend, there is the sometimes subtle and sometimes in-your-face message that if you dont attend a church following the 9Marks model on a regular basis (no! When he recently encountered a young man who stutters at a Keene, Casting Crowns: A City On A Hill https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqDaKajSnQ A 15th century religious darkness is descending upon McLean Bible Church? Get the young men excited in wanting a place to be a prima with... 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